As many others have done before, I got a Non-quota Immigrant 13a Permanent Resident Visa. I choose to do this in the United States, before I left, as opposed to applying after I moved to the Philippines. Whether that is necessary is completely a personal decision. There are pluses and minuses to doing it either way.
The procedure to get the visa seems daunting at first. The actual process isn’t nearly as bad as it looks. As with all things with the Philppines, getting clear, precise information is extremely difficult, and that is where most of my anxiety came from.
For me the most difficult part of the entire process, other than trying to make sure I was doing everything needed, was the medical. My consulate, which is located in San Francisco, required that my medical form was notarized with my physicians signature. Since I could not locate a physician that had an office with a notary, I had to schedule a second office visit for the sole purpose of having a mobile notary come and witness my physician sign the required form, once the results where in.
Also, because I do not have any medical insurance, the cost of all procedures were my direct responsibility. Not being able to determine exactly what tests were needed for the blood work ended up costing me quite a bit. I paid over $700 for all my tests, which also included the chest X-ray. At least in my case, the X-ray was accepted on CD, and not film as the requirements state.
I sent all my paperwork in early because I had scheduled a meeting with the Consulate Outreach in Seattle. The Philippine Consulate General in San Francisco makes several trips throughout the year to cities within their jurisdiction to handle certain matters. I will refer you to their website for the list of times, cities, and services. This is a great service for those not near your consulate, and I encourage you to look into it.
I was told each time that I called, and emailed, that a personal interview was indeed required. When all was said and done, it was not true in my case. I did not need to go in for a personal interview. I asked why, and the lady on the phone said that it was because I had all my pertinent documents notarized – the application and the medical form. I don’t know if that is in fact what happened, or if it was because my documents were so detailed and organized. Whatever the reason, I was very happy to learn that my visa was approved already, and I was able to get it back so quickly. Once they had received my paperwork it was approved within 2 days.
Because of the unexpected approval without the personal interview, I had to send another USPS Postal Money Order for the return postage. I had my Passport, with visa, back in hand about a week later.
These are the requirements that I used as a guideline for my documents. Each consulate seems to have a different set:
13(A) Permanent Resident Visa
REQUIREMENTS:
- Passport of applicant (valid at least 6 months from date of application)
- One (1) original and one (1) photocopy of the duly-accomplished Immigrant Visa application form, typed or printed legibly in black or blue ink
- Four (4) identical colored photos, 2” x 2”, taken within six months before the date of application, showing a clear front view of applicant’s face, with a white background. No sleeveless attire. Blurred or low quality photos are not accepted.
- One (1) original and one (1) photocopy of documentary evidence to prove spouse’s or either parent’s Philippine citizenship and to show applicant’s relationship to the Philippine citizen, such as, birth certificate, Philippine passport, marriage contract (original will be returned)
- Medical Examination Report, duly-accomplished by a licensed physician whose signature must be notarized, and which should not be more than six (6) months from date of application, together with laboratory reports (original and one photocopy)
- Chest X-ray negative, standard size, to be presented to the Embassy and hand carried to the Philippines
- Police Clearance Certificate from place of residence of applicant (original and one photocopy)
- One (1) original and one (1) photocopy of evidence of sound financial status (e.g. proof of real property, investment/s, bank certification, pension, or notarized Affidavit of Support from a relative in the Philippines, with attached documents to substantiate declaration or claim)
- Personal appearance for interview
- Self-addressed return envelope, with appropriate stamps, via US Postal Service or private courier of choice, preferably with tracking numbers, if Passport with Visa is to be mailed back
- Visa fee of $150.00 (non-refundable), payable in money order, bank draft, certified check or cashier’s check, and cash when personally applying. Personal checks and credit cards are not accepted.
Note: The Philippine Embassy/Consulate General assumes no responsibility for any delay or loss in the mail, or while the documents are in the custody of the courier service. The applicant should note the tracking numbers of all envelopes used and submitted.
To be safe, I also sent a notarized letter of request from my asawa. As I said before, the application, medical form, and my wife’s request letter were all notarized.
The other concern I had with our documents involved the original marriage license that we provided. We had not been married long enough to be able to secure a NSO certified copy. From what I had read, a certified copy of all Philippine documents was normally required. Their list did not specify, but since I was concerned, I also provided photos from my wedding and other original documents from the mayor’s office on Samal (where the wedding occurred). Whether any of that was needed or not I’ll never know. It was never brought up or questioned.
I have heard some stories of consulates not being easy to reach by phone or email. That was far from my experience with the San Francisco Philippine Consulate. They answered emails quickly and thoroughly. I was able to reach them by phone each time I tried. My only complaint would be the inability to get clear direction, such as the blood work requirements. That aside, I was very pleased with their response and treatment of me.
I could have waited until I got the Philippines to do all this. As it turned out I would have saved some money, as the medical isn’t needed there at all, but I would have spent a lot of time and trips.
I still need to visit the Bureau of Immigration once I get to the Philippines. This will be for my ACR-I card. I plan to do this in Davao, even though you are told to check in with Manila. I know of at least one other expat that has finished it in Davao, and I also asked the consulate if I could do that. Of course, they were not completely clear, but did finally say, “yes”.
Whether I did the right thing by getting it ahead of time, I can’t really say. It does ease my mind knowing that I have one less thing to take care of once there. I also save the trouble of visa extension(s), in addition to the useless return ticket that would be required otherwise.
If the medical hadn’t of been so costly, and such an ordeal, it would have been well worth the decision to complete it here. As it turned out, maybe it was a push.
Dave Starr
Jul 31, 2012 @ 16:38:26
Thanks for that clear and complete update, Randy. As some who may have followed some of our previous discussions this, it turns out the old ” ‘Sup to you” phrase still holds true. But you are not the first person I have heard from who got their visa through the San Francisco consulate without a trip for a personal interview. Like may other things, that ‘requirement’ is not always a ‘requirement’ it seems.
Living outside the US for so many years I was “floored” at the medical costs you incurred. As a reminder/caution to others who may read this, your medicinal insurance/lack of same will not affect the costs much. Very few medical insurance plans cover exams and tests required for applications for jobs, licenses, government certificates, etc. Many people are floored when they arrive at doctors offices and find this out. Government required tests like you ordered are seldom covered so that’s an important issue for folks to resolve before they start the process.
Welcome to the Philippines full-time and to the ranks of 13(a) holders. Maybe some day I’ll get mine. Or maybe not.
The requirement for the notarization of the doctor’s signature also surprised me a lot. There is no requirement any longer for a doctor’s exam for visas applied for _in_ the Philippines, so why do they persist in the outright discriminatory practice for people still in the USA? Annoying and completely unnecessary. bureaucratic AIDS at its finest… no, not Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, but the Philippine government version “As If Doing Something.”
It’s more fun in the Philippines
Randy C
Jul 31, 2012 @ 18:28:42
Thanks, Dave.
I was taken back myself at the cost of the medical work, thinking it would be well less than that. Most of that was the lab work. Actually I forgot to figure in the cost of the office visit, so it was closer to $900 all told. Very surprising really. Not sure I would have done it had I known that. I don’t understand the discrepancy with the requirement between there and here, but I was aware of it at least.
The notarization of the doctor’s signature was more if a hassle than anything else. No one could figure out why I was having to do any of this, as it was quite foreign to them. Typically they have immigrants coming, not going.
From what I understand I may need to wait up to 2 months to get the ACR-I card if I process it at Davao. Since I have no immediate need for it, I’m not going to sweat it.
Dave Starr
Jul 31, 2012 @ 18:55:55
In nearly six years of living here, aside from buying an ACR-I card after 60 days on a tourist visa and then showing it at every tourist exstension, I have been asked for an ACR-I card excatly twice.
Once when I opened bank account … told them I was on a BB Stamp, showed them my passport and that was that, and once by an overly officious little twerp at Globe when I was trying to get Internet service. I snapped back at him, “Why, do you have a credential from the Bureau of Immigration which authorizes you to check”?
My dear wife then touched me on the shoulder, I stepped aside, and the processing went on with no further disruption, in her name. (grouchy old foreigners
Of course she has no ACR-I card either, doesn’t need one, and no Philippine passport, doesn’t need one, either. Skin color trumps all official requirements as it so often does.
(my wife, US/Philippine dual citizen) comes and gores from the Philippines with her US passport and her certificate of citizenship which she got when she reacquired Philippine citizenship.)
I suppose some day I’ll get a permanent visa, but despite everyone holding one saying to me “you should have one”, the actual reasons to have one seem rather nebulous. Frankly seems a useless exercise.
I opened a bank account, got a driver’s license, bought a house, etc. all with no visa and no ACR-I card.
As always, YMMV
Randy C
Aug 01, 2012 @ 10:22:20
You confirmed my feelings on the ACR-I card.
I’ve already got a bank account without one, though they mentioned they like to see it when I do get it.
I also ran into the issue with Globe, when checking on internet service. They wanted me to fill out an application just to find out if they serviced the area where I’ll be living. Asked for the ACR-I card, and like you I proceeded to have them process the request in my wife’s name.
Regardless, I’m looking forward to getting there in a couple of weeks and spending my early days dealing with the process of getting it. I’ll bring reading material
Macky P
Aug 01, 2012 @ 23:43:03
For me, a reliable general rule would be: It’s always better to get it done in the US rather than in the Philippines.
Obviously, my situation is different, but from passport work to dual citizenship, things went much smoother in the SF consulate. I’m always floored by the extra hurdles & time spent on a similar document in the Philippines. Just not worth the stress.
Randy C
Aug 02, 2012 @ 08:32:12
Based off my experience with the San Francisco Consulate, I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend them to anyone. I’ve had similar good experiences in the past, too.
Looks like whether I like it or not, all my further requirements will be done in the Philippines.
Good thing I’ll have a lot of time.
Kevin
Aug 06, 2012 @ 14:44:42
Nice post. Thanks for the clear directions for when I may need to do the same in the future. If I get the 13(a), I’ll get it here like you as it seems easier. I really don’t like all the running around in the RP. Good luck and keep us informed.
Kevin
Randy C
Aug 06, 2012 @ 17:25:43
Thanks, Kevin.
I’ll try to do an update once I get there and see what else is required. I’m interested in how it will go in Davao, as opposed to Manila.
Hope I can get in the country at all, as I understand the typhoon season has hit hard in Manila.
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Walter
Mar 10, 2013 @ 07:22:52
Thanks for the great post Randy, I’m moving to the Philippines and will also be applying for my 13a in SF.
I’m having trouble figuring out what medical tests need to be done and where to find a clinic. Did you get tests done for everything including the mental disorders in the “Class A” box on the Medical Examination form?
Also, do you know where I can find a template for the request letter my wife must provide?
Thanks,
Walter
Randy C
Mar 10, 2013 @ 08:59:35
Hi Walter,
They never were very clear about the medical tests. In particular I could not find the specific tests they wanted for blood. It seems they are mostly looking for STDs. Here is what I followed and was taken from the LA Consulate site:
Original and Photocopy of the results of the following medical examinations:
Stool (Ova/Parasite and Occult Blood) Urinalysis
Complete Blood Test (Blood Serology and Chemistry)
Chest X-Ray Result (the x-ray negative film must be submitted)
I will note that while I provided the Chest X-Ray result on CD, my quarantine office was not happy that there was not a paper based test result provided. I almost had to go to the hospital here and have them read my X-ray film (CD).
My doctor that did the exam (just a basic physical) marked the boxes, so no test was done for mental disorder, it was just her observation.
Please note: the SF Consulate requires that medical form to be notarized. My clinic doesn’t do that, nor any that I could find, so I had to have a notary come in after my results were available to get the doctor’s signature notarized on that form.
Here’s a sample letter. You’ll need to change:
2 July 2012
Hon. Ricardo A David Jr
Commissioner Bureau of Immigration Intramuros, Manil
Sir:
May I respectfully request a non-quota immigrant visa under Section 13, paragraph A of the Philippine Immigration Act as amended, in favor of my foreign spouse, ____________________________________ , a _________________________________national.
I am ____________________________________, a Philippine citizen. We were married in _______________ on _______________ .
I am enclosing here copy of the following documents to prove my above-cited information:
1. My NSO-issued Birth Certificate
2. Our NSO-issued Marriage Contract / Philippine Consulate-authenticated copy of our Marriage Contract / Marriage Certificate / Family Register
3. Photocopy of the pertinent pages of his passport:
a) bio-page
b) page/s showing:
1. his immigration admission and its extension/s and
2. Bureau of Quarantine Clearance
Very truly yours,
___________________________ Petitioner/Filipino Spouse
___________________________ Address
Walter
Mar 10, 2013 @ 11:01:36
Thanks for the info Randy, this clears up a lot of the unknowns.
Ed
May 16, 2013 @ 11:04:37
I want to get my 13A here in USA but I want to get it now so it is all done and approved but I do not plan to use it or go into the Philippines until June 2015. I cant find anywhere where it specifically says once you have an approved 13A while in the USA to go to the philippines, how long you have until you must use it before it is no longer good. Does anyone know?
Randy C
May 16, 2013 @ 13:48:18
It’s too early to get it for 2015.
My 13a had an expiration date of one year (I’ll double check to make sure it wasn’t 6 months) which I found out after I got here meant I needed to use it within that time. I had thought it meant my 13a was probationary, but the local BI said it was in fact permanent. My ACR-I reflects the same.
It won’t do you any good to do it this early.
John
May 21, 2013 @ 21:41:17
Hi,
Is it true that 13a issued from a Philippine embassy in a western nation now is probationary up to 1 year ?? Or is it permanent? My embassy told me the visa is valid for up to 1 year, what do they mean by that ? Is that 1 year to enter and do all this or is it only valid up to 1 year probationary and then change it to permanent inside the Philippines later?
Secondly, is it a 13a visa sticker ? Once I get it do I need to have a 2 way ticket or a one way ticket to the Philippines ? Some people say we have to go and “activate it” inside the country by visiting quarantine department and the BI office, until then we are still tourists?
Grateful if you could clarify this.
Randy C
May 21, 2013 @ 21:56:58
I’ll tell what was true in my case, and a couple of friends here in Davao.
The 13a Visa was not probationary. It was permanent. My consulate told me the same as what you were told, but when I got here the BI told me that one year expiration was for the use of the visa, and that my visa was permanent. My ACR-I reflects that fact.
Again, I have two friends that have had similar experience within the last couple of years.
The visa is attached to the passport, yes like a sticker. It has partial laminate over it. Mine was marked for multiple entry (single was marked out).
The expiration shows one year (again in my case for use), but it also says permanent resident. NO WHERE does it say probationary, and my understanding that those that are applied for here do in fact say probationary.
I did not get a two way ticket. Just a one way. I was not questioned about it, but was prepared just in case. I would have gotten a cheap ticket from Manila to Singapore, or Hong Kong or something.
Yes, Once you are here you need to check in with the BI. You will be told that must be done in Manila, but it’s not true. I did it here in Davao, as well as another of my friends. They will send you to quarantine, and probably find some reason to get a few more pesos from you. You will then complete your paperwork (fingerprints, and more pesos) for the ACR-I card back at the BI.
It wasn’t as painful as it sounds, except I had a bad experience with quarantine since they didn’t want to accept my x-rays without a report.
The thing is, and you might as well get used to this right now, no matter what I tell you and anyone else, it may not mirror your experience. They make it up as they go here. Seriously. I did they same as you, and tried to get as much information as possible. There is nothing wrong with that, and it certainly helped me. Just expect that it will not go as advertised.
John
May 22, 2013 @ 01:10:32
Thank you so much, randy. So sorry to hear about the quarantine experience, great site and great information you are giving us expats. One last question, does the Embassy issue a “sealed envelope” to give to the quarantine , so does the Permanent residency get activated only after going to quarantine ? You are right about the acri- card, I plan to get it from Cebu , instead of Manila. i will take the X-ray CD report also with me, when I arrive. I thought the embassy would check all this and give a pass, just why the quarantine department should get dragged into it just so weird.
Randy C
May 22, 2013 @ 07:41:38
I didn’t deal with the embassy at any point. I used the Philippine Consulate in San Francisco to process my papers in the US (the consulate you use depends upon where you live) and then I reported to the Bureau of Immigration in Davao once I got to the Philippines. Immigration at the airport gave me a week to report in.
The consulate provided me with a sealed envelope that I needed to give to immigration at the airport and then the BI. They are the ones that said I needed to take it to Manila, but I knew otherwise and took it to Bi in Davao. I do think that quarantine here is not used to dealing with these, so that may have caused some of my extra headaches there.
I don’t know at what point it is actually complete. The ACR-I is not an option for the 13a, so it felt like that was the final step.
John
May 23, 2013 @ 15:21:35
Hi Randy,
I got my 13a today, just took 2 days for them to grant, same as you said a sticker, it has an expiry date 1 year from now, but it does not say anywhere permanent or probationary, just 13a.
I was given a sealed envelope, says “to the Philippine Immigration officer”, from the embassy of Philippines etc etc a brown envelope. I wonder what it contains, I didn’t get my chest x-ray CD back, must be inside the Envelope ?
So, I have to hand this envelope to the Immigration officer at the counter at airport who stamps the passport isn’t it and also to the BI office isn’t it ?
I feel so happy now, recieving my 13a. Ghosh only took 2 days to stamp. It was well worth all the expenses and stuff, but really worth it, getting it all stamped in 2 days in a lovely sticker.
Randy C
May 23, 2013 @ 17:47:11
Great news for you. Mine took longer but I mailed it in.
Mine says “Permanent Resident” I under remarks.
It contains copies of all the paperwork you provided: application, notarized docs, etc. Your CD should be inside, also.
You’ll give that to immigration at the airport and then take it to BI once you get here. Again, they gave me a week to show up at BI.
Good luck from here. You have most of it done. Just expect to spend some time at BI completing it. I don’t know how Cebu office is but I recommend getting there when they open. Much less crowded.
John
May 23, 2013 @ 18:14:17
Thanks. Under remarks for me it says, “Non-Quota”, meaning non-quota Immigrant, does not say permanent or so (I hope and I believe, it means permanent).
I got my passport and sealed packet, I do feel something hard inside, the CD. However, I didn’t get back my original birth certificate, police clearance original, Chest Xray and medical reports original (printouts that doctor gave to interpret the CD), I assume they may be inside that sealed packet.
But going through the negative experience you had at Quarantine, I will go back to my doctor, and get another printout of the Chest Xray interpretation they have in their computer systems, just to be prepared.
John
Jul 14, 2013 @ 13:30:40
Hi Randy,
I wanted to follow up the thread with the update. I arrived into Philippines, completed the Bureau of Quarantine, went over to take my ACR-i card.
I was informed that all 13(a) visa process done from overseas, Philippine embassies are automatically PERMANENT not probationary. Therefore, my visa is PERMANENT. I double checked this at the BI office. At the ACR-I card it will be also marked PERMANENT.
I had to run around for that photocopy this photocopy, but at the end of the day I feel it was worth having done the whole thing from overseas than from within Philippines.
One needs to have a lot of patience. My experience with the Bureau of Quarantine was not that nice, as the main health officer subjected me to a lot of personal questioning, off topic from anything related to health, but other than that it went smoothly.
I hope now, with 13(a) confirmed as PERMANENT and Acr-I on the way to be processed in a month, things are ok.
Regards
Randy C
Jul 14, 2013 @ 17:32:32
That’s great John.
In regards to it being permanent, it also reflects what everyone I know has experienced the last couple of years. To be honest, though there is a lot info saying otherwise, I’ve not ever heard of a 13a processed in the US that wasn’t. Not saying it hasn’t happened, just that I’ve not run into it.
Did you finish the process in Manila?
Jay Wallace
Jun 26, 2013 @ 14:16:58
I have been on BB for years and will keep it that way, alto the process is easier here in the Phil every thing has to be just right or immigration will make you get it right, before you get the 13A you need police clearance also from your home state verified by the Consulate in the USA
Randy C
Jun 27, 2013 @ 07:45:34
The Balibayan privilege works well for many. I recommend people looking over the options and choosing what’s best for them.
It seems the requirements for getting a 13a here in the Philippines have recently changed.The police/FBI clearance does make it more time consuming and difficult.
The more I learn of it, the more I’m glad I got a 13a and did it in the US. YMMV
Michael
Jul 20, 2013 @ 23:43:18
Quick question,
when you went to Bureau of Quarantine and International Health Surveillance, did you have to have any additional shots or was it just questions? I have read some had to get shots, others did not. I know it is different for everyone as not one process is the same
Thanks
Randy C
Jul 21, 2013 @ 07:36:09
I think it depends on what tests you had done, and what they determine is missing. The consulate in the US is not very clear about what blood tests you need.
I did not need any further shots, but they didn’t like the fact that I did not have a print out of the results of my chest x-ray, though I did have the x-ray.
I spoke with someone recently that said they need a Syphilis test at quarantine.
Michael
Jul 21, 2013 @ 09:14:31
Hello Randy,
Thanks for the reply. Well I am missing quite a bit then as the embassy in Los Angeles said I only need a CBC and Lipids test. I specifically asked the embassy what I needed as the paperwork is very vague (as everyone knows). They said everything is good to go but they (embassy in LA) are not the people I have to deal with in the Philippines.
I was issued the 1 year visa and the large envelope… just trying to prepare for what else I might need. I double checked with the embassy before I left and they said I am good to go.
thanks again
Michael
Randy C
Jul 21, 2013 @ 12:59:30
I’m sure you’ll be fine. From what I gather, and was my experience, Quarantine will find something missing so they can get a few extra pesos. They’ll take care of whatever they come up with, so you’ll get it done.
Just prepare for a bit of a run around, and being asked for more copies – no matter how many you have.
Michael
Aug 02, 2013 @ 20:09:33
Well, I did the process today for the ACR card.
It was very easy in Manila to do. Not sure why everyone is trying to go out of their way to the south to do this. I went to Quarantine and the thing I was missing was a Syphilis test. My wife is a doctor in the states and when I called her and told her that they wanted a syphilis test, she just laughed with me.
The only blood work I did prior to going to the Quarantine office was back in the states. The LA embassy for the Philippines wanted a CBC and cholesterol test. We laughed at that as well, why do they need a Cholesterol check?. We were surprised, they never asked for an HIV test, TB test, and other stuff my wife and I thought for sure would be a requirement. I thought about getting those but man the bill would have been a fortune in the states. I think it would have been in the range of $800 in the states. Tip : make sure your doctor writes that you have no health or mental issues. My doctor and I couldn’t figure out where to write this on the document and was left with only the ability to circle C which is minor ailments (even though nothing was wrong with me.) Have the doctor write it on that particular paper. The head doctor at the Quarantine office just mentioned it to me and I was expecting them to pop the “you need a physical” (which translates to (give us more money). But all she did was ask me and I said no and she wrote it on the paper. Pretty simple.
The Syphilis test was 800 pesos and took 30 minutes to get the results. The lady said it would take an hour but kept checking on the test results. There were no other foreigners at the Quarantine facility, only students and over seas workers getting health clearances. The lady who took care of me here was great. I have never seen a government employee try to get me in and out so quickly. I was in and out of the Quarantine office within 45 minutes total. Had I not needed the syphilis test, I would have been in an out in 15 minutes (copies and photos included)
Next was the Bureau of Immigration. This looked crazy when I walked in. There were so many people there. When you first walk in, go straight and you will see a desk with with a queue of people. It is the customer service desk. They will want to see the stamp in your passport showing that you “passed” quarantine. Afterwards, I walked over to the higher windows as I was told to do so (windows 35-46 are for ACR) and started more paper work. I was in and out of this place in about and hour. There were no lines except for the copy machine… Other than that, it was quick. My whole experience (Taxi rides and all) took a total of 3 1/2 hours (traffic) and I was back in my condo in Makati. I never was asked to come back another time or day (other than to pick up my ACR card).
All in all it was very easy. I think it is easier to have the embassy in your country issue you the Multiple entry visa and confirm the paper work (although something will always be missing) than to try and do it here in the Philippines.
Is the ACR card worth it? For me it is, I have a corporation registered here and it is one more document that I can show to reduce having a Filipino signer. As a tourist, I would just do the 1 year balikbayan visa (if your married of course) if not, than it is less of a hassle than renewing every 59 days until you are forced to get an ACR ( I think after the second extension).
I opened a bank account (both business and personal), obtained a TIN number here, obtained various utilities here all without a ACR card or being under my wife’s name (which would be a bit hard since she is still in the states.) . I have a few accounts, BPI did ask for the card but I just showed them my corporation paper work and all was good. Not everyone can do that but the requirement for an ACR card to open a bank account is dependent on the bank and/or manager on duty.
Not sure if anyone can use any of this information but I just thought I would post my experience.
By the way (since my taxi driver from Makati was lost) the Quarantine office is next to Hotel Manila and the Bureau of immigration is not far (10 minutes) from the Quarantine office. I grabbed a cab (since it was hot out) to the Bureau of Immigration and the driver knew exactly where it was.
That is the way it happened for me at least. As they say, different people equals different answers. What was not required of me may be required of you. If you just wear a smile, have some small talk with each person you deal with, it will go fast.
Now opening a corporation here… Next chapter of posts one day That has its own timeline and stories.
Michael
Aug 02, 2013 @ 20:11:46
Forgot one thing… I was over my 7 day period to apply for an ACR card upon entering the country and no one said anything or gave me any grief. I was told at the airport when I arrived, upon submitting my massive envelope that I need to go to Quarantine within 7 days. The only reason I did not go sooner was because I was busy setting up my business. No issues at all.
Randy C
Aug 02, 2013 @ 20:17:18
I was over, too, but that was because they were closed several of the days. They mentioned it, but I pointed out the closed days. They didn’t seem concerned at all.
Randy C
Aug 02, 2013 @ 20:23:39
Thanks for the detailed write up.
The reason many of us are going south to do it is because we live down here. Otherwise we’d have to stay overnight a day or two in Manila. I know I wanted to get home as soon as I could, and avoiding extra time in Manila is also high on my list. Unless, I’m going for a visit, of course.
Interesting that you were to get a TIN so easily. It wasn’t an easy process for me, I won’t go into the whole thing, but because they determined I’m doing consulting they made me set up a business and pay taxes. I’ve been told this in not common, but the local BIR here in Davao was adamant about it. It’s a story I haven’t cared to write much about, as it ticks me off to no end.
Michael
Aug 02, 2013 @ 20:38:47
Well it pays to have a good attorney ( or should I say a classmate of my wife). She goes well above the call of duty and she is a pretty well established lawyer with her own law firm.
My next fun project (I say fun because I can do is laugh about everything in the Philippines) is PEZA certification. This will allow me to have a 5 year tax free holiday. According to the website, it is pretty straight forward and is 100% facilitation expense free (no pun intended).
I understand about being down in the south and wanting to do everything there. Trust me, I do not go into old Manila if I can help it. I have been coming to the Philippines on and off for 10 years and 10 years ago was the last time I was in the area of the US embassy and Hotel Manila.
I do have quite a bit of experience opening a business in Asian countries, I use to have a business (well a few actually) in Thailand… Talk about a pain in the @ss.
Everything is in Thai and trust me, you want it translated before you sign it. Although people may complain about some (I say some because not all of them want money) of the Filipinos always looking for that next quick Peso (referring to government agency’s) no one has the Thai’s beat. Trust me, every turn I made it was thousands of Baht here, thousands of Baht there. The Thais on the other hand were not always asking for so many photos or copies. But the document translation fees were crazy expensive.
Actually there was a sign in the Quarantine office that said absolutely NO facilitation expense’s (what you and I know as a bribe). It went on to say that the any government official taking facilitation expense’s will be fired and banned from working at another government position. Please report all activities. I thought that was a good move! Probably stems from Aquino’s speech not long ago to stop bribery in immigration.
By the way are 100% of your clients foreign or do you also do consulting to Philippine based companies?
Randy C
Aug 02, 2013 @ 20:56:25
Certainly if you can have someone do it for you, it’s usually worth it here.
In regards to the consulting job, it’s not really what you’d consider consulting but the company I’m working with didn’t really know what to call it. They wrote up a contract calling me a consultant. If they’d made me an employee it would have been much simpler, but I’d being paying more taxes. The company is a Philippine corporation, but has some foreigner investment. I’m required to pay Philippine taxes, both income and business (percentage). It’s just a massive run around to pay/account for these taxes, especially the percentage. I could pay someone to do that, but I’m not making enough off it to be worthwhile to do so.
There has been a big crack down on fixers, too. Some feel that it’s not necessarily a good thing, as things take longer and are more complicated without them. Not all it was illegal but since some (a lot) of it was, they are trying to stop it.
Sounds like you’re moving right along with things. Your lawyer must be good!
Kevin
Oct 13, 2013 @ 19:24:38
Is it possible to get my 13(a) going through the Davao Immigration office? Or will I eventually have to go up to Manila? How long do you think it will take if I have all the paperwork?
Randy C
Oct 13, 2013 @ 19:43:50
You shouldn’t need to go to Manila. It’ll take longer because all the paperwork will be be sent there though.
The ACR-I card is part if the process and that took me 3-4 weeks. I was told to expect up to 3 months. So somewhere in that timeline.
Hope all is well there. When you coming back for Christmas?
Kevin
Oct 13, 2013 @ 20:11:11
We are coming back around December 20th for a few weeks. Everything going well here. Been working long long hours. The students are really awesome and work very hard. I’m teaching 12th grade physics and 11th grade precalculus. Hope to get together with you and Bob when I get back. Will post some video on my site this week.
Oh, and bye the way, there’s lots of choices here for vegetarian food with many restaurants having veggie options. My school even serves breakfast, lunch and dinner with vegetarian options.
Randy C
Oct 13, 2013 @ 20:34:28
Will be great to see you when you get back, if you can fit it in.
Sounds like the food is a little more friendly for me there. Maybe a lot more. Would be cool to visit sometime if I had the resources.
Glad to hear that it’s working out for you.
Barry Knotts
Jan 27, 2014 @ 10:53:18
I am married to Filipino and live here on BB Visa. Thinking about the 13a, but FBI here does not provide criminal background check services. I have no desire to return to USA just for background check. Are you aware of a way to get it? I understand that also most be notarized / certified by Philippine Embassy in USA.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Barry
Randy C
Jan 27, 2014 @ 15:21:07
I’m not aware of a good way to obtain the clearance at this time. I may know more shortly, and will update you when/if I do.
I’ll send you a file that contains everything that is required but it doesn’t really help as to how to get it done.
Dave Starr
Jan 27, 2014 @ 15:49:22
Here’s the full info for getting the FBI clearance from overseas.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/criminal-history-summary-checks
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/criminal-history-summary-checks/fbi-approved-channelers
Welcome to the living on the BB stamp club, I’m on year number 8 now and have never found a need for the 13 series visa or an ACR-I card …care to share why you are planning to change from”easy” to “hard”?
Randy C
Jan 27, 2014 @ 16:12:23
Thanks, Dave.
I don’t know all the in and outs of why they made these changes, but as of the way things sit today I don’t think I recommend anyone get a 13a here in the Philippines. ALL the other options look better to me.
In regards to the Balikbayan Stamp, I hope I’m wrong but it seems to me they can’t keep that as it is. No police clearance and no extra peso into their pockets. Seems like it’s too good a deal for them to allow it to continue in its current format. I know it’s been available for many years, but it’s not going to surprise me one bit if that changes soon. With the amount of 13a’s that they will quit processing, I think they’ll be looking to make that up and the BB will be the natural place to do so.
Dave Starr
Jan 27, 2014 @ 17:01:29
Hi Randy, as you know I am a believer in ‘Sup To You’ when it comes to what visa to use.
The BB program could end anytime .. but it hasn’t in more than 10 years, so when and if it does, as we say, I’ll drive off that bridge when I come to it.
I was interested in what you meant here “With the amount of 13a’s that they will quit processing” … why will the BI be processing less 13(a)’s?
We can both agree the BI is Peso Hungry, but they have absolutely no direct control over the BB Privilege Program.
It’s managed under the Office of the President and the BI has no control what-so-ever, except the the BB program requires them to stamp passports .. and requires them to allow departures free of the ECC nonsense up to one year. I am sure there are people in the BI who don’t like it, but it isn’t their program, so they can’t change it directly. Also, there is no direct “bundle of Pesos” involved to drive them to lobby for changes.
Logic tells us that if they got the program terminated there would be a lot of foreigners who would then apply for 13 -series visas, but it certainly would not be on a one for one basis.
A huge percentage of BB stamps are issued to Balik Bayans Filipinos and their dependents who just come to the Philippines to visit for a while, If the program was cut, these people certainly wouldn’t be applying for permanent visas. but the Philippines overall would lose what they spend here, which is the reason the Palace loves the program.
One other thing to consider, from the perspective of a person who worked for the government (US “swivel servant”, processing requests for years.)
The 13-series programs are a LOT of work for the people who actually shuffle the paper in the BI. The fewer visas the better as far as the average rank and file guys in the BI are concerned. … ever met a Civil Servant in either country who wanted more work?
or so this old man opines
Randy C
Jan 27, 2014 @ 17:15:52
What I meant by the amount of 13a’s they’ll quit processing is that every expat I’ve talked to so far that was considering it has decided to go another route because of the stricter requirements. As you mentioned, there is very little incentive to do so, and with the difficulty of getting the clearance (for some), I believe they will have quite a few less applicants. I guess that remains to be seen.
You make a good point about Balikbayan Filipinos. I will admit I didn’t realize that the BB Stamp wasn’t under the control of the BI, but it does seem like an opportunity to get more peso into the economy, no matter who directly benefits. Not only are they losing the peso for the visa, but as you mentioned, the exit tax, too.
You are right, if they do change the program not everyone with get 13a’s, but they’ll have to do something. Even the SRRV brings in additional funds, as well as the tourist visa.
Hey, it was only my uneducated thoughts given the “new” concern over police clearance and possible loss of revenue. I hope the BB Stamp doesn’t change, as I know a number of people going that route.
Barry Knotts
Jan 27, 2014 @ 16:20:34
Hi Dave
In less than a year, I’ve had two BB stamps as we left the country for short vacations to Korea and Hong Kong. Each time I’ve purchased an airline ticket showing me leaving the Philippines in less than 21 days. I was asked in Korea for proof of an exit ticket, not in Hong Kong.
My current BB runs out in April and we will go to USA that month. I want to get the 13a to avoid having to purchase an airline ticket leaving the country every time we travel. And as I’m retired, we plan to take more trips to surrounding country’s and thus want to avoid asking for a BB every few months upon reentry.
Barry
Randy C
Jan 27, 2014 @ 16:29:33
Dave knows more about this than me, but a couple of points (maybe I misunderstood you):
You aren’t likely to get your 13a by that timeline.
Why don’t you just get your police clearance when you are in the US? If you have the time, process the 13a there. It will save you the trouble of renewing it in a year anyway.
Get a short term tourist visa, if the timeline doesn’t work for your current BB.
Dave Starr
Jan 27, 2014 @ 16:35:31
Hi Barry,
OK, I understand that, but under the BB program you should NOT have to purchase an onward ticket. Sometimes you have to do a little explaining to the airline personnel when you are trying to board, and show your marriage certificate but there is no such requirement for BB eligibles.
In the off chance you run into a “stone wall” type situation, buy a full fare, fully refundable ticket for a US airline for onward travel, and then refund it after entry into the Philippines. Delta and United still sell them .. it costs nothing if you buy it on a credit card and then refund it in the same credit card billing period. I’ve written about this extensively on my site .. doesn’t matter what the price of a full fare ticket is, since you are going to refund it anyway.
With a 13(a) you’ll pay travel tax and pay for an ECC is you have been here more than 6 months … one of the reasons I still use the BB.
Dave Starr
Jan 27, 2014 @ 18:20:55
Yeah my bad for not looking at the calendar. I would judge it impossible to get anything done with either government by April, Heck we’re almost through with January already and then don’t forget Holy Week has to squeeze in there as well. Read Randy’s suggestion about getting it in the States, that’s what I would do.
Barry Knotts
Jan 27, 2014 @ 17:55:20
Dave
I thought even on BB that you had to have EEC.
Regards
Barry
Dave Starr
Jan 27, 2014 @ 18:35:30
Not so Barry. I have it in writing direct from the BI help desk. Last September when I went to Guam on my last BB “refresh run”, the BI officer at NAIA said to me, “Sir, you must have an ECC”.
I consciously lowered my voice (I tend to shout when I’m upset) and said to him. :”But sir I am on a BB stamp.”
he quite rudely said, “I can see that, but all foreigners require an ECC after 6 month’s stay.”
I dropped my voice even lower and said, “Well may I ask to speak to your supervisor, please, because I do not believe that applies to the BB Privilege Program.”
He ignored me and said somehting I couldn’t here to the other officer in the booth next to him. She said something back to him I couldn’t hear as well.
His face got an expression like he had just sucked on a sour lemon, and without a word he stamped my passport and shoved it to me.
I grabbed the passport and gave him a big smile and a hearty “Maraming salamat po” and I looked at the other officer who had apparently set him straight and she was grinning from ear to ear.
Sometimes you have to (politely) dig in your heels, but always ask for what is your right and never take the first “no” as final judgement.
Barry Knotts
Jan 27, 2014 @ 18:00:00
Dave
Also, I have the ACR card. It was not much of a hassle to get, and it saved me a great deal of money on my golf membership (30,000ph).
Dave Starr
Jan 27, 2014 @ 18:39:12
great savings indeed. that’s another fallacy that circulates about the BB Stamp. You can get an ACR-I card by going to any BI office and asking for one and paying the fee. I’ve never had a need for one, but hey if I could save P30,000 with one I’d be up at the window at the BI tomorrow