This one was different. Sure I’d sent many balikbayan boxes before, in fact that is how I sent all my stuff when I moved, but this one I awaited with much more anticipation. Watching the tracking on LBC’s site, though it seemed not to change.
My first experience with balikbayan boxes came after my previous filipina wife finally got her fiancee visa and arrived in the United States. One of the first tasks we undertook, after the marriage and government requirements, was to start shopping for the contents of BOX that we would send every few months. That was really pretty simple, as anything was needed back in the Philippines, and there were always plenty of used clothing to forward. It was easy to fill that box.
Prior to moving here, I also sent boxes at different times. Right after I got married (again) and returned home, I started sending things over. Things I wasn’t using, and that I knew would eventually be needed. Also things that I noticed were lacking and I would need for minor repairs around the house. Later, when my move became imminent, I sent everything that I had left. All that I didn’t sell or give away. Stuff I deemed useful and that would of course fit in a balikbayan box.
It had been a year since I’ve sent or received a box. I was able to get by with what I’ve found locally, for the most part. That and the cost of sending a box were the main reasons. Not that the box itself is costly to send, maybe $75 or so, but the items I’d buy to fill one could really add up. After I got my tax return, thinking I might need to pay, I decided it was time to get serious about sending another balikbayan box.
So what was different about this one? Well to start with I was not in the States to buy everything, pack it up and send it over. I had to go about it “differently.” I was able to enlist my brother to do the dirty work of getting the box and packing it up for me. It was not quite that simple, as he also had to buy a few things for me.
For the most part I ordered items online and had them shipped to his house. That went fairly well, for me anyway, other than a few minor issues like missing product or wrong items. Nothing too serious. My brother also had to deal with storing these items until such time as the box was ready to be shipped. I’m lucky to have a brother/friend like this. I know.
I’ve heard it said that it’s like Christmas when they receive a box here. It certainly was for me, with the difference being that I bought all the presents for myself. Much of the box contained upgrade parts (pickups, nut, tuners, bridge, tailpiece, wiring kit, knobs, etc.) for my Hamer Echotone electric guitar. There was also a custom speaker for the amplifier, and NOS (New Old Stock vintage) tubes. Items that just aren’t available here in the quality and/or specifications I wanted. I also had some OTC medicine, again not available here, a new pair of Levi’s, razor blades, spinach and cilantro seeds, clipper blade and various household items. In almost all cases, things that I could not find here. It may not sound like much but it was many hundred dollars worth of items, and more importantly exactly what I wanted.
I write a lot about adapting to things here. Learning to live with what’s local, and for the most part I try to do that. This box was definitely an exception. I was able to get by a year before sending one though, so I thought I did pretty well. I could have lived without all those things of course, but I guess I’ve still got some attachment to things that I’ve not been able to let go of yet.
Kevin
Aug 30, 2013 @ 21:21:38
We just received the last two balikbayan boxes back in the Philippines. I’ll open them up when we go back Christmas. It took on average of about ten weeks to go from New Jersey to Mindanao. We paid $85.00 per box. When we moved, if it didn’t fix in the box, we didn’t bring it. I think we shipped a total of 14 boxes over a time span of five or six months. I consider them a bargain.
Now I just wish we had something like that here in Cambodia. DHL delivers here but I don’t know how much it would be to send a box here.
Randy C
Aug 30, 2013 @ 21:28:12
No doubt they are a bargain. The cost is minimal considering there is not weight limit. Only downside is the time they take. Mine made it here in 7 weeks, 2 of those were waiting in Seattle to go out.
Anton vos
Sep 02, 2013 @ 01:10:00
I am not so sure it’s good value. I just had a look of sending a container from Rotterdam to Davao. I got a cost of 1600 to 1800 euro’s for a 20 ft and 2200 to 2400 for a 40 ft container. I am not sure how many balikbayan boxes fit in a 20 ft container but I am sure it’s more than 300. Now I know that this does not include the transport to and from the port but still a considerable difference.
Anton
Randy C
Sep 02, 2013 @ 09:53:27
If you have enough stuff to send a container or partial container is the way to go.
I didn’t have that much stuff. Now that I’m here a box once in awhile is a very good value. The options aren’t good, as PhilPost is very unreliable for my area. Other options are very expensive.
Bill S.
Sep 03, 2013 @ 08:33:00
Yeah Anton, I have been looking into sending a container also, from US to Davao. The price is not what is bothering me near as much as what I can put into it, and then pay duty taxes on it. Don’t care about sending a car, but would like to send my ATV, and riding mower, and ideally my small tractor would also be nice to have there, but duty on them I am being told is 100%, of purchase price, so will not be doing that I don’t guess. Was also wanting to take a lot of my tools and power tools but sounds like that will get extremely expensive also. Furniture, I would just as soon buy it new once I get there. I am trying to find out somehow, exactly what I will have to pay duty on, and how much it will be, before I take it there, but so far, not having much luck. So before you send a container full of stuff, you might want to check into what all they will be charging you duty on.
Randy C
Sep 03, 2013 @ 08:52:39
Hi Bill,
I’m not sure but I think if you have the correct visa, 13a?, you get an exemption from those duties. Maybe it only applies on certain things.
I have some friends that have done that. Maybe someone will chime in. Then again, maybe you don’t have that option.
Bill S.
Sep 03, 2013 @ 21:36:52
Hey Randy C.
As I understand it, the 13a does allow me to bring some things duty free, but according to the website I was reading at, it said a maximum of $7,000 was it, and it doesn’t take much to reach that these days especially. Again, I don’t really know what I am talking about, (normal for me) just what I read, this was at a Philippine Gov. site. But it sounds as though anything with a motor and wheels will be considered as trans. and will fall under that type of duty tax. I have read other bloggers, and they said they got through with much more than the allotted monetary amount listed. I have talked to a overseas shipping co. and she said that customs just open a few containers at random and may just take a quick look from the door, or they may totally unpack the entire container, and whatever they break, that’s the owners problem as they don’t care. Tools and, machinery especially, are taxed at 100% it says also. Just would hate to take all the things I would like to take, get there, and be handed a duty bill, for 10′s of thousands of dollars, in order for my belongings to be released to me.
If anyone has any info, of there actual move there with a container, I would like to hear how it went for you.
We are still 3-4 years away from actually making the big move there, but have started selling things already in anticipation of the move. I have a woodworking business in the states, and was hoping to be able to bring a select few machines there with me, not to try and make money with there, (doesn’t sound possible anyway) but to have a hobby and something to do in my retirement there.
Randy C
Sep 04, 2013 @ 06:22:10
Like most things here, I’m sure what you experience will not be consistent with others or what you are expecting.
I’ll ask a friend to reply with his experience. Not sure if he will, but I’ll try.
I’ve heard of some that have hired shippers that supposedly “guarantee” the fees and what not. I’ve no real information about that. You probably know more than I do at this point.
Jack
Sep 04, 2013 @ 07:34:59
Re containers — our experience was that at this end (Davao) it was much easier than anticipated. No one even ever looked inside the container. (One caveat, ours came directly into Davao through Malaysia, it didn’t go through Manila — I hear from others that that can be a very different experience). It took a day of bureaucratic runaround in Manila to get the tax exemption, but it wasn’t difficult, and as far as I can tell no one ever even looked at the manifest. I wrote a more detailed account of all this on Mindanao Bob’s site at the time, here’s a link: http://liveinthephilippines.com/content/you-load-16-tons-and-what-do-you-get/ Also happy to answer whatever questions I can, just shoot me an email, (gmail) jackindavao.
Randy C
Sep 04, 2013 @ 09:13:40
Thanks, Jack.
Did you bring any of the items that Bill had concerns about?
Great article BTW. Just took a look. Glad I went the balikbayan box. I had enough to deal with in regards to my retirement, selling the house and move. Didn’t need that extra stress on top of it.
Jack
Sep 04, 2013 @ 15:22:02
I did bring all my tools, including a fairly large table saw, drill press, etc. Keep in mind everything here is 220 — some motors are easily converted, others you have to use a transformer. I also brought a 15 foot sailboat, which I had stripped down getting ready to rebuild it — it would have looked like a project, except no one ever looked. I didn’t try to bring any motor vehicles, but I did bring one small outboard motor. I doubt that something like riding mower would be a problem — the big problem with motor vehicles is that you have to get them licensed to be able to drive them on the road, and if you haven’t paid the duty you won’t be able to get them licensed.
My impression is that the key to all this is you want the container to arrive directly in Davao without going through Manila. Here in Davao they never even opened the container, it still had the original seal on it.
The other thing that you should understand is that the system here doesn’t work in the way that we gringos are used to. Things are much less predictable, a lot less top-down control, and the people on the ground tend to make their own decisions. But — our experience at least — in the end they always find some way to make the situation work. We were actually advised by several customs brokers not to bother with the tax exemption, that it would be cheaper and easier to just negotiate something when the container arrived. We didn’t do it that way, but I’m pretty sure we could have. As for the maximum amount of the tax exemption, as best I can tell no one pays any attention to that at all — I’ve never heard of anyone being charged for being over the limit. Bottom line, it feels kind of risky and unpredictable when you’re doing it, but as a practical matter lots of folks have done this and the only ones I know of who have had problems, it’s because the container went first to Manila and had to clear customs there. From everything I’ve seen and heard, if that were the only option I wouldn’t do it.
Randy C
Sep 04, 2013 @ 15:42:23
Thanks for the follow up. It sounds just like everything else here. Consistently inconsistent (that might be Dave Starr’s phrase or something like that).
Possibly a call to Manila Forwarders 800-210-1019 would be of help to Bill, also. Or going online with them as they have a chat system. I don’t know if that is the outfit you used, Jack, but you did reference them in your article.
Bill S.
Sep 04, 2013 @ 20:37:47
Jack and Randy,
Thanks so very much for the help and especially the knowledgeable info. since you have gone through the process Jack.
We will be living in the Davao area, but not in the city, Samal is also a good possibility. We are still 3-4 years away from the big move, but I am just trying to find out as much info, early on as I can.
Randy, Manila Forwarders is actually who I was talking too about shipping, as they have an office nearby me. I have also talked to Maersk, and since I currently own a small company, I could open an account with them, but since it would be a onetime only deal of shipping, there prices are close to double what Manila Forwarders are telling me, almost $12,000 from Maersk, so will be using another company for sure. Manila said that all shipment from here will either go to Manila or CDO first, most likely Manila, since that’s where there home office is. Dosesnt sound like they would be a real good choice, if its best to avoid Manila.I will check with the companies that Jack used later, as for now I am just trying to gather info and don’t want to waste peoples time just yet, but moving half-way around the world is quite a big deal to us, and I am just getting things lined up as best I can for when the time gets closer, so I don’t have to scramble to find someone for this.
Jack, if you wouldn’t mind, I would like to contact you, and maybe ask you a few more questions at some point. I was planning on a 40′ container like you sent. I have rented them before for extra storage at my shop on a few jobs, but they were able to set them on the ground and not leave the trailer which was nice. Most of my equipment is 3-phase, but have some older stuff that that’s single-phase 220v, that I would like to bring a few of. Table saw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, drillpress and lathe. They are heavy, industrial pieces of equipment, but since there all paid for, and I cant sell them for much these days, I would like to bring them if possible along with many, many portable tools. Figured I would build a small shop there, just for a hobby only. Most of them weigh around 1000-1500lbs. saw and drill press much less. Have a small Kubota tractor I was hoping to bring also, again it paid for and cant sell it for much, and can lift the machines mentioned earlier, but don’t guess I would really have a lot of use for it there, not sure though. Am trying to figure out a way to economically and efficiently, step-down the voltage there to 110 volts since all portable tools here are that
If I could just somehow secure a way to get through customs without paying tax on stuff like that, everything else is normal household stuff or things we would just repurchase once there. Would gladly grease a few hands if need be to get through customs. Will also look at the sites that Jack gave me. Read his post on Bob’s site was also helpful and informative.
Thanks again guys for you valuable help, I really do appreciate it.
Randy C
Sep 04, 2013 @ 21:40:23
Glad we (mostly Jack) could be of help.
I know Jack personally and I’m sure he’ll be a great resource. I asked him a bunch of questions about the 13a before I came over, too. He’d just been through it and was a big help.
Jack
Sep 05, 2013 @ 21:29:53
Bill S — sure, feel free to get in touch, jackindavao at gmail.
Bill S.
Sep 04, 2013 @ 22:02:43
Thanks Randy, I just always fear I will become a pest with all the questions I have.
Jack, just read all your other posts on Bob’s site, we seem to think a lot alike on things, like corruption there for example. Also, the cat info was very helpful and informative, as we have 2 cats we would be taking hopefully also. They are part of the family and we cant just give them away, or possibly much worse, they have been with us for there entire lives, and will stay with us I hope.